[tor-relays] Relay operators meetup @ rC3

Greetings relay operators,

the annual Tor relay operators meetup will be tomorrow (28th) at 2200 UTC+1.
No rC3 ticket required, I'll post the public link here as soon as it's available.

Looking forward to meeting you
Leibi

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Hi,

On 12/27/21 04:29, Stefan Leibfarth wrote:

I'll post the public link here as soon as it's available

Best
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We just finished the meet-up. Thanks Leibi for organizing it, and thanks
everybody for participating. I've attached the notes that we used for
organizing the topics / discussion.

Next meet-up is planned to be around FOSDEM in early February. Stay tuned!

--Roger

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On Mon, Dec 27, 2021 at 04:29:10AM +0100, Stefan Leibfarth wrote:

the annual Tor relay operators meetup will be tomorrow (28th) at 2200 UTC+1.
No rC3 ticket required

Agenda

Meetup url: https://jitsi.rc3.world/tor-relay-meetup

network health team ramp-up in 2021 / 2022

relay operator non-profits torservers.net - Partner Organizations

Hear from relay operators here (especially exit relay ops)

  • I’d like to hear successful experiences of running exit relays from people here. One of my friends hosts one in their home (not a good idea). I think evolution VPS sounds like a good deal for an exit relay, but I’m not sure.
  • What are the potential legal consequences of running an exit relay, if someone uses it to post illegal material?
    • In DE, the Providerprivileg should insulate you somewhat against legal consequences (Disclaimer: IANAL), but depending on your local police, you might come in contact with them. (Hasn’t happened to us so far, though.)
    • In EU, it’s legal: EUR-Lex - 32000L0031 - EN but you might still have the cops “knocking” at your door at 6am and confiscate all your hardware, until their sort things out.
    • In .fr, as Nos Oignons, we ~regularly get letters from the cops, and some convocations to the police station.

Trust:

Relay operator support venues / options:

  • New Tor forum (https://forum.torproject.net/), useful for individual relay operator support (alternative to private helpdesk), not intending to replace tor-relays@ list
  • tor-relays@ list
  • #tor-relays irc channel
  • relaunch of TorBSDv2 coming

network performance:

  • relay overload indicators
  • sbws progress
  • new congestion control designs should help with geographic diversity

network blocking:

  • The Russia story
  • ‘Run a bridge’ campaign
    • (un?)fortunately, most people here are running relays, so can’t run bridge on the same machines
    • what types are important → obfs4
    • what internet connection type is best → static IP
  • Belarus, previous blocking stories

ipv6:

  • How to run a Relay with a dynamic IPv6 only address?
  • ipv6-only relays, soon?
    • no :’(
    • chicken & egg problem - as long as most relays are ipv4 ??? tor will stay ipv4
  • ipv6-only bridges?
    • (did setup one today ??? not yet listed at Relay Search or https://bridges.torproject.org/status?id=[???] )
    • There’s no reason in principle why ipv6-only bridges shouldn’t work. People should try them, identify what goes wrong, and help us fix!
    • Is anyone seeing any ipv6 traffic to obfsproxy4? (No not handed out yet.)

Offline Master Keys:

General Q&A, answer any questions relay operators have

Bridges still need to have reachable ORPort, even if it’s never used and dangerous?

Next meetup:
- @ FOSDEM (5 & 6 February '22)
- The exact date and time will be posted @ tor-relay list

  • KAX17 and what to about it? - discussed, thanks
  • How to support more diversity in the network, maybe add a flag for relays that are not in common ASes?
  • I am wondering how bandwidth and consensus weight is measured. I seem to struggle to ramp up high-bandwidth nodes in Asia and even on the US West Coast. Ramping nodes up in Europe is super easy by comparison.
  • Are there still free shirts/hoodies for relay operators?
    • Yes! Just ask on tshirt at torproject.org (that’s for the shirts/stickers combo)
  • Running a bridge and Snowflake proxy on the same host, good or bad idea?
    • Potential danger: IP address blocked for one will affect the other
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Hi!

I couldn't make the meeting (I retire at the end of January, and should at long last have time to devote to things Tor). Thanks for posting the notes.

It prompted me to review the draft "expectations for relay operators" document. It looks very good, though I do have a quibble. The line "Try not to let the cops get your relay keys"...

...seems to perpetuate the erroneous belief that the main use for Tor is to evade law enforcement

..."cops" can be considered derogatory in some English-speaking cultures and implies that the aims of Tor Project are averse to law enforcement

...ignores a large segment of potential Tor adversaries

I think the community would be better served by language like "Try not to let potential adversaries get your relay keys".

--Ron

PS: I have requested a gitlab account so that I can comment on the document directly, but I have made such a request before and not received a reply.

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ronqtorrelays@risley.net:

Hi!

I couldn't make the meeting (I retire at the end of January, and should at long last have time to devote to things Tor). Thanks for posting the notes.

It prompted me to review the draft "expectations for relay operators" document. It looks very good, though I do have a quibble. The line "Try not to let the cops get your relay keys"...

...seems to perpetuate the erroneous belief that the main use for Tor is to evade law enforcement

..."cops" can be considered derogatory in some English-speaking cultures and implies that the aims of Tor Project are averse to law enforcement

...ignores a large segment of potential Tor adversaries

I think the community would be better served by language like "Try not to let potential adversaries get your relay keys".

Thanks for the feedback, much appreciated.

--Ron

PS: I have requested a gitlab account so that I can comment on the document directly, but I have made such a request before and not received a reply.

You should have now as I approved your account request. If that did not work feel free to ping me off-list and we can sort things out.

Thanks,
Georg

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